"Economic Mud" Robert Gover Financial Astrologer

An Astrological Look at the World's Current Financial Issues... Will we have some real solutions by March, 2015??

"The sidereal v. tropical debate matters, of course, but if we are to apply astrology to real life, planetary angles within our solar system are far more indicative.  In an attempt to make astrology relevant to real life, I put the emphasis on social problems in need of solutions and planetary angles which, based on past history, promise major changes and/or solutions to such problems.   Right now, as most astrologers are well aware, we are under a Uranus-Pluto square that hasn't formed since the great depression of the 1930s.  The most vexing social problems in need of solutions are economically based, and arise out of our privatized central banking system.   The Uranus-Pluto square of the 1930s found Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Cancer. Uranus is again in Aries, but Pluto this time is in Cancer's opposite sign, Capricorn.  History shows that planetary angles and transit-to-natal angles matter much more than the signs the planets occupy. What is also needed is an accurate analysis of the problems to be solved.  If you have a hidden short in your home's wiring, you may band-aid your obvious electrical problems temporarily, but you won't have a sustainable solution till you find and fix the hidden short.   The hidden economic problem we now have nationally is interest on the money the federal government has borrowed from the banks of the Federal Reserve.  The Fed is privately owned and operated.  It's no more "federal" than Federal Express. The government is charged interest the same as individuals and companies when they make loans.  Paying interest on federal government loans now eats up almost half of the federal budget.  Cutting federal spending puts a band aid on that fiscal cancer, but does not cure it. Most people have the impression that the federal government operates on money raised from taxes. From a limited perspective, this is true.  But almost every dollar in circulation originates as loans made by the bankers of the Fed, and interest must be paid on all this loaned money. That creates an economy increasingly mired in the repayment of interest.  As time goes on, more money must be borrowed from the bankers of the Fed to repay this ever-accumulating interest, which compounds ad infinitum. Thus, the economy eventually becomes like a car stuck in mud. Revving the engine only sinks the wheels deeper into the mud.  For an accurate analysis of the economic problem that is the mud we are revving the economic engine to pull us out of, see www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs . Most people assume that if the mass media don't inform them about this monetary problem, it doesn't exist and/or is another conspiracy theory. But the people who own and operate our mass media benefit from the system and are thus not about to assign reporters to research it and write about it.  In that sense, it is a conspiracy. But there is plenty of information about it online. Google "debt based money" and you'll find some. Google "privatized central banks" and you find more.  And there are movements to change the system afoot in Congress, led by Dennis Kucinich (D Ohio) and Ron Paul ® Texas).  The problem is that only a small minority of people know what the system actually is, how and why it is tremendously harmful, and why it is unsustainable.   Assuming President Obama and the Republicans arrive at some agreement to keep the federal government operating and not defaulting on its debts, this doomed system will be perpetuated.  Eventually it will self-destruct, for it cannot go on sinking the government into the ever-deepening mud of interest owed. The solution is to have government issue our money debt free, pay off all the existing Treasury bonds and bills, and henceforth relieve taxpayers of further enriching already rich bankers.  The government will then be free to work for the governed. But the planets do not make our decisions for us, and by the March Full Moon 2015, no matter who is in the White House and no matter which time you use for the July 4, 1776 birth of the USA, Pluto will be at 15 Capricorn opposition the US Sun at 13 Cancer and square the US Saturn at 15 Libra, while Uranus, flanked by Mars and Venus, will complete a grand cross at 14 Aries. The Full Moon and Chiron will hit the US Mars-Neptune square (indicating another financial crash) and Saturn will oppose the US Uranus in Gemini. Barack Obama now appears to have put himself in an impossible bind (see http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/obama-economy/presidents-failure ) and Congress is now stocked with ignorant, big-money manipulated tea partiers.  It's hard to see how we get out of the mess the Fed's debt-based money system has put us in without a massive revolution, and/or an unprecedented Uranus-opposite-Saturn surprise.        Though negative predictions win no popularity contests, I believe we astrologers can make ourselves more valuable by sounding warnings now, rather than allow our fellow humans to be unprepared for 2015. "

Astrologer Deborah Smith Parker on Pluto in Capricorn

This is an excellent article on what we can all expect while Pluto is  in Capricorn..til 2024!! Thank you Deborah!!
Here is the link:
http://www.astrologicuspress.com/pluto-in-capricorn%E2%80%94upheavals-in-corporations-governments/

Here is the article: By Deborah Smith Parker
"In astrology the planet Pluto works at a global level. His intent isn’t to kill us individually although it can sure feel like it—and at times we wish he would. Instead he reveals what is killing us, specifically through collective thought and action. He specifically exposes the malignant and destructive concentrations of power relative to the sign he is in and then provides opportunities to clean the whole mess up.
Pluto locks everyone in a long slow roll tumbling us over and over so we can’t escape experiencing just how bad things have become. His work starts out real messy and always involves massive body counts—usually more figurative than literal, although there are exceptions which I’ll detail in future posts.
In 2008 Pluto entered Capricorn, the sign ruling corporations, business environments, governments, authority in general and the patriarchy. So what has happened since then? Oh, not much—just the collapse of the housing bubble, the exposure of unprecedented, unregulated greed and scandal by banks and their Wall Street partners, and both the reluctance and impotence of our government to effectively deal with the resulting precipitous economic crash we will be struggling with for many years.
Pluto has 14 more years in Capricorn so he’s just getting started. Pretty big stuff for such a little guy demoted from his planetary status by astronomers. Well, they didn’t consult with us astrologers.
We can clearly see Pluto’s work not just in the U.S. but across the globe. But this country was founded with Pluto in Capricorn so we’re getting a big hit. What’s going to happen in the U.S. during his remaining time in that sign?
In astrology you look forward while also looking backward.Pluto’s orbit is 248 years and this is his first return to that sign since then. A planet’s “return” to its original position in an astrological chart is a powerful time relative to that planet’s energies in that particular sign.
With Pluto what happens is:
• Everything that’s working well for the masses is strengthened and rewarded
• Everything that isn’t is pretty much torn up
By the time Pluto leaves Capricorn for good in 2024, he will leave in his wake in this country a very changed system of authority of governments and corporations. Remember, he starts out real messy. Everyone has a role. It takes a while for the messages of the brilliant prophets, the whack jobs, the defenders of status quo and the casualties of the struggle to sort out the issues to forge new ameliorative policies and power dynamics.
Our nation was founded in a revolution by a rag tag army to throw off the oppressive government of King George III. See any similarities between our issues with that regime and the political and economic climate we’re in today? Our current struggle just got a lot closer to home—closer than hands and feet, as the ancient aphorism goes.
Pluto has lots of time and uses it. However, he doesn’t leave us bleeding in the streets forever. The way out is eventually revealed but it isn’t served up on the proverbial silver platter. We have to become involved to clean up the mess. And Pluto doesn’t just motivate us to do so, he drives us to do it.
In my next few posts I’m going to help you all become astrologers, examining Pluto’s astrological positions from the Great Depression to present times. We’ll see how each placement has contributed positively and negatively to today’s dilemmas and potential solutions. Stay tuned."